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> JERUSALEM - About 300 Palestinian minors have been rounded up in
> Israeli army sweeps over the past year and are being held in crowded
> lockups, some without charges, lawyers and human rights monitors say.
> The army acknowledges it has locked up teens, but treats those over 16
> as adults, despite international conventions defining minors
> warranting special treatment as those under 18. Israel says militant
> groups often recruit teens, pointing to a 16-year-old suicide bomber,
> Issa Bdair from Bethlehem, who killed two Israelis in a blast in Tel
> Aviv last year. Several other bombers have been minors.
> Roundups of Palestinians have intensified in the past year, and the
> International Committee of the Red Cross says a total of 7,600
> Palestinians are currently in custody. Red Cross officials say they
> have visited 260 minors in Israeli lockups.
> Israeli human rights monitors, including the respected B'tselem group,
> estimate about 300 Palestinians under 18 are in detention, and say
> many of those detained are held for minor offenses, such as throwing
> stones.
> A 14-year-old, Ali Rahman, said he was jailed for eight days after
> throwing a stone at an army jeep that drove past his home in the Aida
> refugee camp in Bethlehem. Ali said he slept on a floor with a
> blanket, sharing a cell with 15 other boys at the West Bank's Etzion
> military detention center.
> Israeli human rights lawyer Tamar Peleg represents several Palestinian
> teens, including Mohammed Najar from Bethlehem who was first arrested
> when he was 15.
> Najar is being held in so-called administrative detention, a practice
> held over from British Mandate rule that allows the army to jail
> Palestinians without trial or charges. He is serving the first of
> renewable six-month detentions in the Ketziot tent camp, a crowded
> prison in Israel's southern Negev Desert.
> Peleg, who works for Israel's Center for the Defense of the
> Individual, said military prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to
> charge Najar with a crime, but persuaded a military judge he was
> dangerous enough to keep locked up anyway.
> Before being sent to Ketziot, he spent 45 days in solitary confinement
> in a West Bank army lockup because a judge ordered him held separately
> from adult prisoners. The day after he turned 16, he was moved to
> Ketziot prison, Peleg said.
> The lawyer said Najar is one of about 30 minors, half of them under
> 16, being held without trial or charges.
> Some of the other young prisoners she's met at military judicial
> hearings have complained of beatings, hunger, overcrowded rooms
> stuffed wall to wall with mattresses and too few trips allowed to the
> toilet.
> Many are interrogated without the presence of lawyers and are held for
> months without visits from their parents, she said.
> srael is in violation of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the
> Child, which defines minors as younger than 18, said Jessica Montell,
> director of B'tselem.
> The treaty, which Israel signed and ratified, says the arrest and
> imprisonment of children should be a last resort and for the shortest
> appropriate time, and they should not be jailed with adults. It also
> gives minors the right to legal assistance, visits from relatives and
> to be informed of the charges against them.
> The army blames the arrest of youths on violent Palestinian militant
> groups who recruit teens.
> "They use the young children, luring them and turning them into
> killers," said Maj. Sharon Feingold, an army spokeswoman.
"They're
> easy prey for these terror organizations. When they are caught, they
> are held responsible for what they do."
> A senior army official speaking on condition of anonymity said the
> Etzion detention center, a facility meant to hold 50 people, now holds
> 71 Palestinians.
> He said Etzion and other centers are meant to detain Palestinians only
> until space can be found at larger military and civilian prisons,
> which are already filled with prisoners rounded up during Israel's
> hunt for terrorists.
> He said the army is holding 14 Palestinians younger than 16. He didn't
> have a figure for how many were between the ages of 16 and 18. Some of
> them are detained for aiding suicide bombing missions, others for such
> minor offenses as throwing stones at soldiers, he said.
> One of them, 16-year-old Hussein Ramadan from Bethlehem's Dheisheh
> refugee camp, was arrested in November after soldiers confronted him
> about being part of a group of rock throwers, said his father, Ismail.
> "This boy should be in school, not in prison," the father said.
"The
> occupation is at our doors and provokes the children."
> Bilal Ibsharat, 17, from the northern West Bank village of Tamoun, was
> held for seven months without trial and then released. He thinks he
> ended up in custody for being singled out by an informer, perhaps a
> classmate who didn't like him.
> Ali Rahman, the 14-year-old stone-thrower, said his eight days in jail
> shook him up badly. "I was really scared in prison and never want to

> go back," he said.
> ____
> Associated Press reporter Ibrahim Hazboun contributed to this report.

> Palestynczyka, zezwalal im wolny wjazd do Izraela "proper", to
> Prawdziwi Humanisci mieliby duzo powodow do radosci, zas Izraelczycy
> zamordowani przez bohaterskich partyzantow palestynskich  powodow do

> radosci by nie mieli. Ale co nalezy zrobic z mlodymi ludzmi o ktorych
> wywiad wie ze chca zostac samobojcami i wysadzic sie w Tel-Avivie?
> Czekac az sie wysadza?
> Zalek

> > JERUSALEM - About 300 Palestinian minors have been rounded up in
> > Israeli army sweeps over the past year and are being held in crowded

> > lockups, some without charges, lawyers and human rights monitors
say.
> > The army acknowledges it has locked up teens, but treats those over
16
> > as adults, despite international conventions defining minors
> > warranting special treatment as those under 18. Israel says militant

> > groups often recruit teens, pointing to a 16-year-old suicide
bomber,
> > Issa Bdair from Bethlehem, who killed two Israelis in a blast in Tel

> > Aviv last year. Several other bombers have been minors.
> > Roundups of Palestinians have intensified in the past year, and the
> > International Committee of the Red Cross says a total of 7,600
> > Palestinians are currently in custody. Red Cross officials say they
> > have visited 260 minors in Israeli lockups.
> > Israeli human rights monitors, including the respected B'tselem
group,
> > estimate about 300 Palestinians under 18 are in detention, and say
> > many of those detained are held for minor offenses, such as throwing

> > stones.
> > A 14-year-old, Ali Rahman, said he was jailed for eight days after
> > throwing a stone at an army jeep that drove past his home in the
Aida
> > refugee camp in Bethlehem. Ali said he slept on a floor with a
> > blanket, sharing a cell with 15 other boys at the West Bank's Etzion

> > military detention center.
> > Israeli human rights lawyer Tamar Peleg represents several
Palestinian
> > teens, including Mohammed Najar from Bethlehem who was first
arrested
> > when he was 15.
> > Najar is being held in so-called administrative detention, a
practice
> > held over from British Mandate rule that allows the army to jail
> > Palestinians without trial or charges. He is serving the first of
> > renewable six-month detentions in the Ketziot tent camp, a crowded
> > prison in Israel's southern Negev Desert.
> > Peleg, who works for Israel's Center for the Defense of the
> > Individual, said military prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to

> > charge Najar with a crime, but persuaded a military judge he was
> > dangerous enough to keep locked up anyway.
> > Before being sent to Ketziot, he spent 45 days in solitary
confinement
> > in a West Bank army lockup because a judge ordered him held
separately
> > from adult prisoners. The day after he turned 16, he was moved to
> > Ketziot prison, Peleg said.
> > The lawyer said Najar is one of about 30 minors, half of them under
> > 16, being held without trial or charges.
> > Some of the other young prisoners she's met at military judicial
> > hearings have complained of beatings, hunger, overcrowded rooms
> > stuffed wall to wall with mattresses and too few trips allowed to
the
> > toilet.
> > Many are interrogated without the presence of lawyers and are held
for
> > months without visits from their parents, she said.
> > srael is in violation of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the
> > Child, which defines minors as younger than 18, said Jessica
Montell,
> > director of B'tselem.
> > The treaty, which Israel signed and ratified, says the arrest and
> > imprisonment of children should be a last resort and for the
shortest
> > appropriate time, and they should not be jailed with adults. It also

> > gives minors the right to legal assistance, visits from relatives
and
> > to be informed of the charges against them.
> > The army blames the arrest of youths on violent Palestinian militant

> > groups who recruit teens.
> > "They use the young children, luring them and turning them into

> > killers," said Maj. Sharon Feingold, an army spokeswoman.
"They're
> > easy prey for these terror organizations. When they are caught, they

> > are held responsible for what they do."
> > A senior army official speaking on condition of anonymity said the
> > Etzion detention center, a facility meant to hold 50 people, now
holds
> > 71 Palestinians.
> > He said Etzion and other centers are meant to detain Palestinians
only
> > until space can be found at larger military and civilian prisons,
> > which are already filled with prisoners rounded up during Israel's
> > hunt for terrorists.
> > He said the army is holding 14 Palestinians younger than 16. He
didn't
> > have a figure for how many were between the ages of 16 and 18. Some
of
> > them are detained for aiding suicide bombing missions, others for
such
> > minor offenses as throwing stones at soldiers, he said.
> > One of them, 16-year-old Hussein Ramadan from Bethlehem's Dheisheh
> > refugee camp, was arrested in November after soldiers confronted him

> > about being part of a group of rock throwers, said his father,
Ismail.
> > "This boy should be in school, not in prison," the father
said. "The
> > occupation is at our doors and provokes the children."
> > Bilal Ibsharat, 17, from the northern West Bank village of Tamoun,
was
> > held for seven months without trial and then released. He thinks he
> > ended up in custody for being singled out by an informer, perhaps a
> > classmate who didn't like him.
> > Ali Rahman, the 14-year-old stone-thrower, said his eight days in
jail
> > shook him up badly. "I was really scared in prison and never
want to
> > go back," he said.
> > ____
> > Associated Press reporter Ibrahim Hazboun contributed to this

> wywiad wie ze chca zostac samobojcami i wysadzic sie w Tel-Avivie?
> Czekac az sie wysadza?
> Zalek

>Zalek Bloom wrote:
>[...]. Ale co nalezy zrobic z mlodymi ludzmi o ktorych
>> wywiad wie ze chca zostac samobojcami i wysadzic sie w Tel-Avivie?
>> Czekac az sie wysadza?
>> Zalek
>Nie dawac im powodow do wysadzania siebie i innych, nie dawac im
>powodow...., to wystarczy.
>Mysli Pan, ze oni jak te meneliki, co -"wysadzenie z rana jak
smietana"?
>Panie Zalku, powiedz Pan w koncu dlaczego Palestynczycy uciekaja sie do
>terroryzmu, czyzby nie mieli czolgow i helikopterow bojowych, czyzby nie
>mieli atomowej broni, czyzby zatrzymywano im statki z uzbrojeniem
>konwencjonalnym, dlaczego ????????????

>Ja wiem, Panie Zalku, ze jeszcze 10, 15 lat i juz tych Palestynczykow
>nie bedzie, wtedy Pan powie mi - jacy Palestynczycy ?!?!

>Panie Zalku, jest tak jak w Biblii, ludzie sa skorzy trzymac strone
>Dawida raczej niz Goliata, Dawidem sa Palestynczycy i tyle i tak to
>wyglada jakbysmy nie patrzeli.

> "Zalek Bloom" <ZalekBl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:r0j2av0mbf970j7ffhe28506bqu49d7384@4ax.com...
[...]
> > Niedawno probowano nie dawac Palestynczykom powodow do wysadzania
sie
> > - Barak chcial dac Palestynczykom to co ich arabscy bracia nigdy nie

> > dali - wlasne panstwo, oddac im czesc Jerozolimy na stolice - 95%
> > palestynskich roszczen terytorialnych. Barak czekal na palestynska
> > kontrpropozycje - ta kontrpropozycja byla w postaci samobojcow.
> > Jesli przeczyta Pan deklaracje palestynskich organizacji
wysylajacych
> > samobojcow, to zobaczy Pan ze aby nie dawac Palestynczykow powodow
do
> > wysadzania sie, Zydzi powinni utopic sie w morzu Srodziemnomorskim.
> > Jestem Zydem, Izraelczykiem i sciepowcem i bede glosal przeciwko
> > takiej propozycji, choc wiem ze czesc sciepy nie bedzie glosowala
tak
> > jak ja.
[...]
> I postaraj sie wytlumaczyc inne ciakawe zjawisko:
> Podczas tych ofert, Izrael nigdy nie zaprzestal budowy nowych osiedlisk.
> Dlaczego? Czyz te ten pojedynczy fakt nie jest
> absolutnym wymiernikiem Izraela intencji?

> I jak najbardziej, przypominaj jak Izrael uzbrojony po zeby min. w bron
> nuklearna jest spychany do morza przez retoryke. To jest przynajmniej tak

> efektywne jak P. Malca deklaracje o oddychaniu.
> Tylko mniej orginalne.

> > >Dawida raczej niz Goliata, Dawidem sa Palestynczycy i tyle i tak
to
> > >wyglada jakbysmy nie patrzeli.
> > Bo tak Pan patrzy - dla Pana Palestynczycy sa Dawidem, bo sa slabsi,
a
> > Izrael jest silniejszy - wiec jest Goliatem. Wogole nie nie bierze
Pan
> > pod uwage czegos takiego jak sprawiedliwosc - tylko sile Pan widzi.
> > Prosze uwazac z takimi pogladami, bo jesli brat zlapal gwalciciela
> > swojej siostry na goracym uczynku i zbije mu morde, Pan bedzie
> > twierdzil ze gwalciciel to Dawid, a brat to Goliat.
> Musza wierzyc ze Izrael jest sprawiedliwy.
> Maja inne wyjscie? Zawsze mozemy ich przejechac sprzetem konstrukcyjnym.
> I robimy to. Sprawiedliwie. Dalej budujac osiedla.
> Sprawiedliwie. To jest nasz wony wybor.
> Wybor okupanta.

> > a autonomie.